November 19, 2012
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Obama has lost his mind.
Obama had a meeting of the minds on the 16th to talk about the fiscal cliff we are heading towards and what we should be doing to avoid it. As you’d expect, he gathered together some of the greatest economic minds in the country like… Jesse Jackson????
Seriously?
>>>LINK<<<
this has got to be a joke. Obama can’t really be taking advice from this idiot, on economics no less.
Comments (39)
After reading the title of this post, my first thought was, “You’re assuming he has one!” (He’s just a puppet.)
Just a side note thought here but……..”President Obama and Vice President Biden met with leaders….” I thought that the POTUS and Vice POTUS were never supposed to be at the same place at the same time. Hmmmm.
@mtngirlsouth - Sounds like the 2012 election is still hurting, Sam.
@mtngirlsouth - That’s just if they’re outside the White House and Capitol.
He’s met with many people including republicans in Congress, CEOs from many corporations including American Express, I.B.M. Proctor and Gamble, Honeywell and several others, with union leaders and with community leaders. It’s called getting input from everyone.
@mtngirlsouth - Where’d you get that from?
@nyclegodesi24 - I honestly don’t remember, it was just something I thought. I looked it up though, and apparently I was wrong.
@Celestial_Teapot - Because obviously I couldn’t possibly dislike him for the way he has railroaded the Constitution, or any of his policies. It MUST be the election.
@mtngirlsouth - So you’re happy about the election results? Wouldn’t have guessed! Good job, Sam– evolving from lowly partisan hack to intelligent woman.
Not what the link said. More stupid hyped up bullshit as usual.
@agnophilo - “This afternoon, President Barack Obama consulted with MSNBC host Al Sharpton, who’s also assicated with the National Action Network (NAN), about the fiscal talks between the White House and Congress. At the same meeting, Obama also consulted with other “leaders of civil rights and civic organizations.”"
Exactly what the link said.
I thought @TheSutraDude’s comment hit the mark.
Facing the Fiscal Cliff– in determining federal programs to cut and their impacts– it makes sense to consult with a broad array of economic and civic leaders. Whatever decision President Obama makes, communities and buisnesses will be impacted, and it would be important to weight the various options before making them.
Why does life have to be full of economic hardships. It is impossible to free mankind from economic hardship, where is John Galt.
@justfinethanku - I like that term “assicated”. Applied to Rev. Sharpton, it actually resonates.
I found it.
@justfinethanku - Only if you substitute “leaders of civil rights and civics organizations” for “greatest economic minds”.
@WaitingToShrug - Your drivers license photo?
@mtngirlsouth - How has he “railroaded the constitution”?
@agnophilo - Click on “images“.
@WaitingToShrug - You must give a spew-drink warning before posting!
@Kellsbella -
Republicans underestimating Obama is how he got elected. Gonna keep it up?
Progressivism is the will to power, not the pursuit of truth or justice. So Obama consulting political allies on any topic including the economy is to be expected.
The objective of Progressivism is to destroy all opposition. When we understand that, we understand that President Obama knows exactly what he is doing.
@vexations - I don’t think a single person commenting up there is a Republican, FYI.
@Celestial_Teapot - At the very least it’s going to hurt for the next 4 years, but possibly for the rest of our lives.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - lol, you’re sounding a bit dramatic. But we’ll see. First up, the fiscal cliff. -_-
@vexations - Yes, when your guy loses it’s because he merely graciously allowed the other guy to win, not because he’s the better candidate.
@agnophilo - Obama has railroaded the constitution by signing the NDAA, which allows Americans to be detained indefinitely without trial. He restored the draconian Patriot Act of 2001 which allows warrantless wiretipping. He has arrested more whistleblowers than any president in history using the infamous Espionage Act of 1917. His illegal drone strikes have even caused the murder of several American citizens. Despite his promises to the contrary, Guantanamo Bay remains open, torturing in defiance on the ban against **Cruel and Unusual punishment**. Despite admitting to using Marijuana himself, he wastes millions of taxpayer dollars on an unconstitutional drug war. Only yesterday Obama signed a cybersecurity document which even further attacks our basic rights and liberties. These are not nutjob conservative-radio opinions that liberals can just dismiss–these are documents signed by the man’s own hand. Look them up for yourself.
@TheSutraDude - He seems to only take the input he wants to hear; he certainly isn’t taking any input from our Bill of Rights.
@mtngirlsouth - Why are the POTUS and VPOTUS never supposed to be at the same place at the same time? I never knew that.
@autumn_cannibal76 - “Obama has railroaded the constitution by
signing the NDAA, which allows Americans to be detained indefinitely
without trial.”
Refused to sign it until after it was amended to say that the section in question does not change any existing law.
“He restored the draconian Patriot Act of 2001 which
allows warrantless wiretipping.”
He extended three of the less controvertial sections of the bill which were nothing to do with warrantless wiretaping of random civillians.
“He has arrested more whistleblowers than
any president in history using the infamous Espionage Act of 1917.”
I’m not sure how prosecuting people who break the law or enforcing a law that’s been on the books for a century is “railroading the constitution”, but the number of people prosecuted were a grand total of five and I’m not sure if any of them even did time in jail, the ones I heard of got a slap on the wrist then sold a book about it and made tons of money. Do you think it should be legal to leak classified information? And “whistleblowing” is when the government is breaking the law, not when you just don’t agree with a policy.
“His
illegal drone strikes have even caused the murder of several American
citizens.”
Murder isn’t the same as killing, it is by definition unlawful killing. Congress passed a law giving the president broad power to go after anyone responsible for 9/11 or protecting or aiding those responsible for the attacks. Blame congress or disagree with the policy, but again not agreeing with the policy doesn’t make it unconstitutional. Bear in mind I’m against the drone strikes, but on moral grounds, not the grounds that it’s automatically illegal to use military force.
“Despite his promises to the contrary, Guantanamo Bay remains
open, torturing in defiance on the ban against **Cruel and Unusual
punishment**.”
Obama signed an executive order shortly after coming into office to close the facility and congress blocked it by passing a bill forbidding any money to be spent to close the facility or transfer the prisoners effectively making the completion of the order impossible.
“Despite admitting to using Marijuana himself, he wastes
millions of taxpayer dollars on an unconstitutional drug war.”
Yes, the war on drugs is a recent, obama administration policy. And again prohibition is bad policy because it’s counterproductive and makes the problem worse, not because it’s unconstitutional. Do you think all medications should be over the counter? No substances should be controlled? Even where pot is legal now it’s still regulated like cigarettes and there’s an age limit. Is that unconstitutional too?
“Only
yesterday Obama signed a cybersecurity document which even further
attacks our basic rights and liberties.”
Give me a link or the name of the “document” so I know what you’re referring to, but if it’s like the rest you’re most likely repeating inaccurate, spun criticism.
“These are not nutjob
conservative-radio opinions that liberals can just dismiss–these are
documents signed by the man’s own hand. Look them up for yourself.”
I don’t need to, I’ve looked them up for years because you’re not the first anti-obama conservative to give me the same heavily padded list. Next you’ll tell me obama is responsible for the military industrial complex, conflict in the middle east, the civil war and the extinction of the neanderthals.
It’s just more treating the man like he’s god and blaming him for everything regardless of whether he had anything to do with it.
@AngelAsh_86 - Because the VP’s job is mainly to take over if the president dies. If they’re both in the same blast radius it kind of defeats the purpose of having a spare.
@AngelAsh_86 - Well, as I said, apparently I was wrong about that. But the reason was in case the POTUS gets killed, you wouldn’t want them BOTH to get killed.
I don’t see how that is relevant to my comment but I often miss the point. Big Money (Republican Party) lost out to “Moneyball”, Democratic Party (Obama’s community organization skills led to a strategy that cost less and resulted in more votes than vast amounts of money got for the Republicans). People are referring to the Democratic strategy as “Moneyball” which is a reference to a baseball team with lower total salaries winning over high priced teams. @WaitingToShrug -
Well, his dog is stupid.
@TheSutraDude - Everyone except community and regional banks, hospitals, masseusses, autobody shop owners, barbers, cosmetologists, doctors, accountants, engineers, etc. It’s just more crony capitalism. Obama doesn’t care about Main Street–only deep pockets he can rob.
Wish I could give your comment a negative rating.
@vexations - I didn’t vote for Obama or Obamney, but I’m a registered repub. I expected Obama to win and hoped for it, because Romney would have been bad for the conservative brand. Obama has done a lot of damage in his first 4 years and I expect he’ll continue to make “progress” in damaging America and its economy. He’s already proved that Keynesianism has been a flop which he essentially admitted when he said that the president can’t really do all that much about the economy. Of course, Obama has been able to damage it by inhibiting investment with his bashing of business and the “rich.” Give Obama time to implement his policies and see them fail. Maybe he’ll totally discredit liberalism.
I’ve watched over the years as liberals (dems) have made promises they didn’t keep and always underestimated the cost of their programs by several multiples.
@vexations - You said “Republicans underestimating Obama is how he got elected. Gonna keep it up?”. That made it sound as if you were addressing the OP and commenters, as if they were the Republicans underestimating Obama. That’s why I pointed out that most of the people above weren’t Republicans. Sorry if I misinterpreted what you meant.
@agnophilo - You are right; I am blaming him for everything, at least all the things that are on this list. I am blaming him because he is the president and it is his responsibility to get things done.
So yes, the War on Drugs wasn’t his idea. But he is continuing its failed policies and has not taken a stand against it. Tolerating evil is only one step down from being evil yourself.
You are also correct about the Guantanamo funding fiasco; both parties are to blame, but again it is the president’s job to find a way. In four years, he did not do that.
Congress did pass a law granting the president excessive power–but that mean he had to use those powers! He could have said, **wait, this is unconstitutional! I am not going to leave the tools of dictatorship around for the first leader who is cynical or ruthless enough to pick them up and use them against my people!**
The act of 1917 has been on the books, but has not been used since the Red Scare. It is currently being used to prosecute against Wikileaks, an organization guilty of nothing save for holding the government accountable to its people.
Murder is defined as unlawful killing, and killing a 16-year-old boy in the attempt to kill his father without due process–by a military action on U.S. soil–IS an unlawful killing.
You can say that many people recklessly hate Obama and this is true; but at least you must acknowledge that liberals bend themselves in knots trying to defend him. If a conservative politician had done what Obama has, Liberals would be side by side with me in the street calling for his impeachment. It is as if simply by being a Democrat–by supporting gay rights and passing out a welfare check–he has a get-out-of-jail-free card. I myself don’t believe he is the **Dictator** some claim him to be, but he is foolhardily allowing such a situation to take place in the future due to his total abandonment of civil liberties and his increase of the nanny state.
Here is a link to the proposed draft: http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2012/10/15/cybersecurity_executive_order_mary_bono_mack_other_republicans_warn_it_could.html
@autumn_cannibal76 -
“You
are right; I am blaming him for everything, at least all the things
that are on this list. I am blaming him because he is the president and
it is his responsibility to get things done.”
He’s the president though, not the emperor. He can only do so much.
“So yes, the War on
Drugs wasn’t his idea. But he is continuing its failed policies and has
not taken a stand against it. Tolerating evil is only one step down from
being evil yourself.”
When he came into office we were hip deep in two wars, losing nearly a million jobs a month, the banks, housing market and auto industry were falling over like dominoes, unemployment was the highest it had been since the great depression, the cost of healthcare was increasing by ten percent annually and had already more than doubled just to name a few of the things on his plate. Do you honestly think legalizing pot should’ve been his number one priority? Do you think that would’ve worked out well?
A president can only do so much in one term. Oh and lookie here.
“You are also correct about the Guantanamo
funding fiasco; both parties are to blame, but again it is the
president’s job to find a way. In four years, he did not do that.”
So you want him to exceed the powers granted to him by the constitution and override congress somehow? Or hold a bakesale for guantanamo at the white house?
“Congress
did pass a law granting the president excessive power–but that mean he
had to use those powers! He could have said, **wait, this is
unconstitutional! I am not going to leave the tools of dictatorship
around for the first leader who is cynical or ruthless enough to pick
them up and use them against my people!**”
Members of the armed forces swear an oath to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic”. Being an american citizen does not mean you cannot also be an enemy combatant or a terrorist any more than it makes it illegal for a police officer to shoot you if you take a hostage.
“The act of 1917 has
been on the books, but has not been used since the Red Scare.”
That just isn’t true, here are the people charged in the 90′s alone:
(Name, Agency, Foreign party)
Brown, Joseph Garfiel, former Airman, Selling info to the Philippines
Carney, Jeffrey M, Air Force, East Germany
Clark, James Michael, Kurt Allen Stand and Therese Marie Squillacot, Govt contractors, East Germany
Charlton, John Douglas, Lockheed, Sold info to an undercover FBI agent posing as a foreign agent
Gregory, Jeffery Eugen, Army, Hungary + Czechoslovakia
Groat, Douglas Frederick, CIA, Original espionage charges dropped to avoid disclosure at trial.
Faget, Mariano, INS, Cuba The Cuban Five (Hernández, Guerrero, Labañino, González, and González)
Hamilton, Frederick Christopher, DIA, Ecuador.
Jenott, Eric, Army, charged with Espionage but acquitted.
Jenott, Eric, State Department, passing classified info to West African journalist Dominic Ntube
Kim, Robert Chaegu, Navy, South Korea
Lalas, Steven John, State, Greece
Lee, Peter, LANL, China (discussing hohlraums)
Lessenthien, Kurt, Navy, Russia
“It is
currently being used to prosecute against Wikileaks, an organization
guilty of nothing save for holding the government accountable to its
people.”
Leaking classified information is illegal. Do you think it should be legal? You didn’t answer me the first time I asked.
“Murder is defined as unlawful killing, and killing a
16-year-old boy in the attempt to kill his father without due
process–by a military action on U.S. soil–IS an unlawful killing.”
What 16 year old boy was killed on US soil?
“You
can say that many people recklessly hate Obama and this is true; but at
least you must acknowledge that liberals bend themselves in knots
trying to defend him.”
I’m sure some do, but I don’t.
“If a conservative politician had done what Obama
has, Liberals would be side by side with me in the street calling for
his impeachment.”
Bush wasn’t accused of being a traitor for simply using military force, he was accused of being a traitor for going to war unnecessarily based on lies and being a war profiteer. If obama had invaded canada based on a lie and was making billions of dollars for friends of his by doing so, then yeah liberals would be calling for his head on a platter. But he didn’t. There is no indication that he personally is benefiting from drone strikes or that the drone strikes are part of some hidden personal agenda. As much as I dislike the drone strikes, it’s the equivalent of using a sniper rifle vs a cruise missile. It is far more targeted than the “shock and awe” dick waving bullshit of the previous administration.
“It is as if simply by being a Democrat–by supporting
gay rights and passing out a welfare check–he has a
get-out-of-jail-free card.”
Yes, the tricky ploy of supporting civil rights… And of existing while poor people don’t die.
“I myself don’t believe he is the **Dictator**
some claim him to be, but he is foolhardily allowing such a situation
to take place in the future due to his total abandonment of civil
liberties and his increase of the nanny state.”
I busted every item on your list and showed that not one thing he’s done has subverted the constitution or our laws and you just claim he’s still undermining the constitution and civil liberties as though the whole conversation hadn’t taken place. Why? And as for the “nanny state” some things are more efficient to do collectively and some things are impossible to do individually, like maintain roads, bridges and highways which benefit everyone. The government isn’t giving you a fresh diapie, it’s ensuring your water is potable so you don’t get sick and die.
“Here is a link to the proposed draft: http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2012/10/15/cybersecurity_executive_order_mary_bono_mack_other_republicans_warn_it_could.html“
I don’t have time to read a 20 page technical document at the moment, what part are you saying is somehow destroying america?
@agnophilo - **Do you honestly think legalizing pot should’ve been his number one priority? Do you think that would’ve worked out well?**
Not his number one priority, but he could have at least put the issue before congress or tried to curtail the number of arrests. If you were a child who has been forced into the welfare/foster care system because his father is doing five years for a dime bag, you might feel differently about how the War on Drugs rates as a **priority**. Legalization would de-clog the prison system, boost the economy and create taxable revenue. At the same time it would weaken the prison-industrial complex, which is exactly why no demopublican would ever do it. I hope someday to be proven wrong about this but I doubt it.
**Being an american citizen does not mean you cannot also be an enemy combatant or a terrorist any more than it makes it illegal for a police officer to shoot you if you take a hostage.**
Yes, american citizens can be enemy combatants. But they are at least obligated to *attempt* to arrest that hostage taker, not just *Disappear* them or blow them up with a drone strike. The 16 year old who was killed, for example, was Anwar Al-Awlaki’s son. He was on his way to a picnic with friends. I doubt officers in-person would have made the same mistake.
You were wrong about Obama standing up for civil rights in the NDAA, by the way. The Indefinite Detention provision still exists and as of now is only being blocked by Rand Paul in Congress: http://rt.com/usa/news/rand-paul-2016-sen-168/
**Leaking classified information is illegal. Do you think it should be legal? You didn’t answer me the first time I asked.**
Yes, at least in the way it was done by Manning and Wikileaks. Had their leak included sensitive information such as troop locations and strengths, I would feel differently. What it included, however, was a egrarious list of foreign policy blunders and abuses by government organizations, including the Department of State. The government is accountable to its people and the people have the right to access such information when making political choices.
**as for the “nanny state” some things are more efficient to do collectively and some things are impossible to do individually, like maintain roads, bridges and highways which benefit everyone.**
This is a slippery slope fallacy. The moment anyone talks about cutting government programs, people immediately jump to Roads, Bridges, and water–as though we are for scrapping the whole thing. No one is talking about letting bridges and roads fall apart; what we are talking about is trillions poured into the political black hole of the middle east, a welfare program that gives money to social parasites who harrass folks to trade their gas cards for alcohol, and a Department of Education which maintains paper copies of EVERYTHING despite the huge cost to taxpayers and the environment. This is about REFORM, not elimination. WIC, for example, is much better than welfare because it emphasizes healthy food choices.
The trouble with the cybersecurity order, as well as NDAA, Patriot Act, and many other laws this president has created or encouraged, is that they are so open to interpretation. Civil Liberties set concrete borders over which agents of the law MUST NOT cross, under any circumstances. This is what gives us our freedom. The **Terror-Scare Laws** all have one thing in common: they open up this boundary. Under these laws, all any arresting agent has to do is have a **suspicion** that you are a **terrorist** to arrest you. You could be anyone–a protester, a whistleblower, an average person going about your day. As I understand it, a Terrorist is someone who uses fear to take away your way of life and your right to make choices for yourself. Under this definition, the U.S. government is filled with a plague of terrorists.