October 17, 2012
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Obama gets spanked, shoots back with a joke.
After Obama pointed out the Romney has money invested in China this interesting exchange took place:
ROMNEY: “Mr. President, have you looked at your pension?”
OBAMA: “I don’t look at my pension. It’s not as big as yours so it doesn’t take as long,” Obama said. “I don’t check it that often.”
ROMNEY: “Let me give you some advice. Look at your pension. You also have investments in Chinese companies,” Romney countered.
Funny, nobody noticed the hypocrisy in Obama’s assertion or the stupidity of a president who is proud of the fact that he doesn’t even read through his own investments. What everyone noticed was the “Your pension is bigger than mine” comment.
Romney is more financially successful than Obama, probably because he pays attention to his investments.
I’m not saying I support either one of them, but this is stupid.
on a side note, if you haven’t seen this yet, WATCH IT NOW!!!
Comments (72)
Geez. If that isn’t an “I’m better than you because you’re richer”, I don’t know what is.
Paying attention to finances is what presidents *should* do. Like you, I don’t support either of them, but I think Obama’s making a bigger ass of himself right now.
There’s a difference between having exposure to China through diversified mutual funds in your retirement plan and earning your living by making large capital investments in Chinese companies. Mitt Romney is a greedy sonovabitch who would sell his own mother to a Nazi research lab if he could make a buck off it (especially if that buck were taxed at the unconscionably low rate of 15% while people making a fraction of Romney’s income have to pay up to 35%). He will do the same to this country if elected.
“Romney is more financially successful than Obama, probably because he pays attention to his investments.” Nah, the Romneys have money from having connections–not good investments, just knowing the right people–no skill, no intelligence, no awareness, just personality.
Basically a total parasite. Having more money than Obama does not mean success in investments.
Ha Ha! That is great!
I agree 100% Good post.
@tjordanm - Reminder.. Obama was the one to point out that Romney has more money – if that’s really the case, which I doubt considering the advantages of power that Obama has had. See, speculation can go both ways and neither of us has the facts on how and how much.
@SKANLYN - And the difference is….? If you really object to a thing, you avoid it at all costs, which means taking an interest and investigating. I’m thinking that the reason Obama doesn’t look at his investments is that he really doesn’t care so long as they produce.
and the political points go round and round, round and round
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@quest4god@revelife - Learn something about finance before you make stupid statements. A plan where you’re saving for retirement by investing in mutual funds that hold hundreds or more stocks, some of which may be Chinese companies, is very different than directly investing millions of dollars in a Chinese company and using the dividends and capital gains to fund your extravagant lifestyle.
@SKANLYN - Please note that they were both talking specifically about pensions.
@justfinethanku - Incorrect. Obama was talking about Romney’s investment in a Bain Private Equity fund that owns a Chinese surveillance company. Romney’s argument was that Obama’s pension fund probably includes Chinese holdings. That is true, it more than likely does. This is significantly different though. A mutual fund has up to an infinite number of shareholders (most of whom don’t even know what the fund buys and sells on a daily basis) and is not allowed to own more than a certain percentage of a company. A private equity fund, on the other hand, is a relatively small group of wealthy investors that pledge large, ongoing,capital commitments in exchange for ownership. Romeny was one of those wealthy investor who agreed to write checks to that Chinese surveillance company as needed.
@quest4god@revelife - Obama has less money than Romney. I am aware that neither of them need to worry about having money. HOW they get their money concerns me, however. Obama has served the country as President, and with that job he does deserve compensation, as does any president. However, the Romney family has money through impure ways–they are not capitalists, they just had friends.
They both blundered on that one. Romney seems to have forgotten he doesn’t know where his money is because in his own words its all in a blind trust and is caught on tape before that telling a reporter blind trusts are nothing but a ruse.
@TheSutraDude - agreed
I wasn’t fond of the biased moderator.
@justfinethanku - I just watched the exchange again. Obama did say at first he doesn’t look at his pension but then said “My pension is not as big as yours. I don’t check that often.”
@SKANLYN - No one has led a more extravagant lifestyle than Michelle Obama and her entourage.
@quest4god@revelife - That’s not the point but, as you don’t know what the Hell you’re talking about, we’ll just agree that you’re a fool and move on.
@SKANLYN - This is the same person who prophesied that Mr. Romney would sell his own mother to a Nazi research lab….? Please!
@Baseballchik138 - She called Romney out on a misstatement. How else was she biased?
The video you posted at the bottom was far better than the actual debate. Sadly.
President Obama doesn’t monitor the government’s money. Why would he monitor his own?
@TheSutraDude - She was actually wrong. . .
@TheTheologiansCafe - you are actually wrong yet again. i’ve watched the Rose Garden address about 5 times today. Obama called the attack a terrorist attack.
and here is the quote from that address:
“No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for.”
@TheTheologiansCafe - Yeah I know. I’ve seen it and he called the incident an act of terror. Do you not read? You just posted it.
“No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation”
You seem like an intelligent person to me but then you make these ridiculous claims.
@TheSutraDude - Here is the video: Link
Here is the transcript of the video:
“THE PRESIDENT: Good morning. Every day, all across the world, American diplomats and civilians work tirelessly to advance the interests and values of our nation. Often, they are away from their families. Sometimes, they brave great danger.
Yesterday, four of these extraordinary Americans were killed in an attack on our diplomatic post in Benghazi. Among those killed was our Ambassador, Chris Stevens, as well as Foreign Service Officer Sean Smith. We are still notifying the families of the others who were killed. And today, the American people stand united in holding the families of the four Americans in our thoughts and in our prayers.
The United States condemns in the strongest terms this outrageous and shocking attack. We’re working with the government of Libya to secure our diplomats. I’ve also directed my administration to increase our security at diplomatic posts around the world. And make no mistake, we will work with the Libyan government to bring to justice the killers who attacked our people.
Since our founding, the United States has been a nation that respects all faiths. We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. But there is absolutely no justification to this type of senseless violence. None. The world must stand together to unequivocally reject these brutal acts.
Already, many Libyans have joined us in doing so, and this attack will not break the bonds between the United States and Libya. Libyan security personnel fought back against the attackers alongside Americans. Libyans helped some of our diplomats find safety, and they carried Ambassador Stevens’s body to the hospital, where we tragically learned that he had died.
It’s especially tragic that Chris Stevens died in Benghazi because it is a city that he helped to save. At the height of the Libyan revolution, Chris led our diplomatic post in Benghazi. With characteristic skill, courage, and resolve, he built partnerships with Libyan revolutionaries, and helped them as they planned to build a new Libya. When the Qaddafi regime came to an end, Chris was there to serve as our ambassador to the new Libya, and he worked tirelessly to support this young democracy, and I think both Secretary Clinton and I relied deeply on his knowledge of the situation on the ground there. He was a role model to all who worked with him and to the young diplomats who aspire to walk in his footsteps.
Along with his colleagues, Chris died in a country that is still striving to emerge from the recent experience of war. Today, the loss of these four Americans is fresh, but our memories of them linger on. I have no doubt that their legacy will live on through the work that they did far from our shores and in the hearts of those who love them back home.
Of course, yesterday was already a painful day for our nation as we marked the solemn memory of the 9/11 attacks. We mourned with the families who were lost on that day. I visited the graves of troops who made the ultimate sacrifice in Iraq and Afghanistan at the hallowed grounds of Arlington Cemetery, and had the opportunity to say thank you and visit some of our wounded warriors at Walter Reed. And then last night, we learned the news of this attack in Benghazi.
As Americans, let us never, ever forget that our freedom is only sustained because there are people who are willing to fight for it, to stand up for it, and in some cases, lay down their lives for it. Our country is only as strong as the character of our people and the service of those both civilian and military who represent us around the globe.
No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done.
But we also know that the lives these Americans led stand in stark contrast to those of their attackers. These four Americans stood up for freedom and human dignity. They should give every American great pride in the country that they served, and the hope that our flag represents to people around the globe who also yearn to live in freedom and with dignity.
We grieve with their families, but let us carry on their memory, and let us continue their work of seeking a stronger America and a better world for all of our children.
Thank you. May God bless the memory of those we lost and may God bless the United States of America.”
He used the phrase “acts of terror” but he didn’t call it an act of terror.
Later when he was on the show The View, President Obama was asked directly if he thought it was an Act of Terror.
“On September 25, on ABC’s “The View,” interviewer Joy Behar asked Obama about a remark made by his secretary of state. “I heard Hillary Clinton say it was an act of terrorism. Is it? What do you say?” To that, Obama responded, “We’re still doing an investigation. There’s no doubt that (with) the kind of weapons that were used, the ongoing assault, that it wasn’t just a mob action. We don’t have all the information yet, so we’re still gathering it. But what’s clear is that around the world there’s still a lot of threats out there.” Here is the link: Link
If President Obama was calling it an Act of Terror the next day, why would he not call it an Act of Terror 14 days later?
@TheSutraDude - As an intelligent person, I simply posted the comments of President Obama.
@TheTheologiansCafe - Maybe I misunderstood you when you said she was wrong. Did you mean the moderator or the blogger?
@TheSutraDude - The moderator was wrong. Read my last comment. If President Obama was calling it an Act of Terror, why was he unwilling to call it an Act of Terror on The View?
@TheTheologiansCafe - President Obama called it an act of terror in the Rose Garden. It’s right there in the transcript. Romney claimed he didn’t and Romney was wrong and became befuddled when it was pointed out to him. The moderator was correct.
As for The View, Romney didn’t bring up The View. I’m sorry but The View, as good as the program is, it’s not the forum to reveal ongoing intelligence gathering. When these things occur facts come out as intelligence tries to figure them out and gathers them. Romney came out with a statement before it was known what happened, before we knew who was killed and before the next of kin were notified and he was wrong but we know this. During the same donor dinner that Romney said 47% of Americans don’t take responsibility for themselves…..these Americans include veterans, people serving in combat zones, seniors who have worked their entire lives and college students mind you…Romney told his donors if there is an international issue he will use it for political gain. That is a far cry from what Ronald Reagan said, “Politics stop at the shore’s end.”
Let’s look at what Bush did. He told the American people Iraq had WMDs, which we know was a deception by the Bush administration. Bush told the American people Saddam Hussein was behind 9/11. He wasn’t. After 10s of thousands of Iraqi civilian deaths and thousands of U.S. soldier deaths Bush joked, “I’m still looking for WMDs.” I’d say Romney is more a Bush republican than he is a Reagan republican.
@TheSutraDude - But that makes no sense. Why would President Obama avoid calling it an Act of Terror if he had felt he already had in the Rose Garden? Clearly on The View he felt 14 days later that it could not be determined. So clearly the statement in the Rose Garden was meant to be a more general statement without calling it an “Act of Terror” in light of the fact that 14 days later he was still unwilling to call it an Act of Terror.
@TheTheologiansCafe - Probably because initial intelligence and what was happening on the ground pointed to a terrorist attack but there were intelligence questions that later ensued. There are other considerations I won’t go into right now but the point is Romney was not talking about The View, which by the way he is afraid to appear on in his own words from that same donor dinner video. Romney claimed The President did not call it an act of terror in the Rose Garden press conference and Romney was dead wrong.
@TheSutraDude - Did he categorically say that the Libya attack was a terrorist attack?
@TheSutraDude - Nope. Actually President Obama read a carefully planned speech where he did not call it an Act of Terror but included the term in his speech. Then for the next 14 days he avoided calling it an Act of Terror. He did not say in that speech that it was an Act of Terror. If he would have it would have sounded like this “This was an act of terror.”
@TheTheologiansCafe - His statement in the Rose Garden was not meant to be a more general statement. That is simply you and FOX news trying to spin it that way. Again, The View is no place to be loose with words when it comes to international diplomacy, something that is lost on Romney who was an embarrassment even during his Olympic tour to friendly countries.
@tjordanm - read the transcript.
@TheTheologiansCafe - Nope. Read the transcript. But when it comes to international incidents and diplomacy wording must be very carefully measured. Anything else is reckless.
Back to Bush. The CIA director came into the Oval Office and told Bush there was no evidence of WMDs. Rumsfeld, who was there chewed out the CIA director and told him to leave and come back with evidence there were WMDs. That is reckless.
@TheSutraDude - I honestly don’t think Obama was being deceptive. But for the sake of truth: What he said was a general statement, he never
categorically
called the Libya event a terrorist act.
@TheTheologiansCafe - I recall another international incident. Pirates attacked a Merchant Marine ship and took the captain of the ship hostage. Republicans immediately blamed the President and called him weak on security. Obama didn’t respond to their accusations. Instead he focused on the job at hand and worked with the military. He gave the word and elite sharp shooters brought the incident to an end. The captain was rescued. Republicans were suddenly silent including McCain, refusing to give the administration credit for bringing the incident to a successful conclusion. The American people are tired of this shit.
@tjordanm - What is your definition of categorically? Obama spoke based on the intelligence information the White House was given. He did call it an act of terrorism. Romney probably watches FOX news and was misled. Heaven knows he goes on the station enough times.
@TheSutraDude - And Romney sucks dick. You don’t need to convince me. The answer to my question is “no” according to you.
@tjordanm - No my answer to your question is, what is your definition of categorically? Obama called it an act of terror that morning or afternoon in the Rose Garden, plain and simple.
@TheSutraDude - But what about Joy from The View? She follows the President. She admits to being his supporter. She knew about Hillary Clinton’s statement. So she must have known about President Obama’s statement in the Rose Garden. But she asked the question. Why? Because as a supporter of the President, she knew that there was discussion about President Obama trying to pretend that the video was the problem. So she asked him directly. And he would not call it an Act of Terror.
Why didn’t the President correct Joy from The View? Why didn’t he say he already addressed the issue in the Rose Garden? Why didn’t he correct Joy? Why was Joy so confused?
@TheSutraDude - such as “this act of terror” or “acts of terror like these” or “this was an act of terror.”
Since a brutal murder was committed by, even if by angry mob, did not have any strategic gains and was clearly meant to cause terror, then there should be no problem saying “this was an act of terror.” Anything less than “this” is just a general statement.
@TheTheologiansCafe - Let me ask you this. If you think The View should be the place where U.S. policy is determined and U.S. intelligence should be revealed why is Romney afraid, in his own words, to appear on The View. Oh yeah….why don’t we reveal sensitive national security intelligence on Jersey Shore while we’re at it?
I’m sorry but if the best argument the right wing has is America didn’t spill the beans on The View, that speaks volumes.
@TheSutraDude - That makes no sense. Why did Joy (who follows politics carefully) think President Obama had not called it an Act of War? Why did the President not correct her? He could have easily said it was an act of terror. If you felt he had said it 13 days earlier, why was it classified information? There was no reason for him to not tell her it was an Act of Terror if that is what he already said 13 days earlier.
@tjordanm - Okay. You can play with words all you want and you can decide for yourself that “acts of terrorism” doesn’t mean “terrorism”. That is up to you. Me? I was working at Ground Zero when the planes hit. I walked home with soot from the towers on my face. I know what the words “acts of terrorism” mean first hand. I was lucky because I wasn’t hurt. I read an AP report about the threat of terrorists using commercial planes as missiles to commit an act of terror 6 months before 9/11. If you think the words “acts of terror” don’t mean anything or those words are not enough for you maybe you’ll change your mind if you’re at the next site of a massive terror attack.
@TheTheologiansCafe - What in god’s name are you talking about now? Romney looked at The President of the United States and said he didn’t, in the Rose Garden, call the attack an act of terror. Obama told Romney, “Please proceed.” Romney proceeded and it was pointed out to him, rightfully so, Obama did indeed call it an act of terror in that Rose Garden address. You posted the transcript yourself. Now you’re switching and baiting to the language to “act of war”? Do you take lessons from Lobo?
@TheSutraDude - Your personal stories don’t mean anything to me, so you can keep them to yourself. “Acts of terrror” = “terrorism.” And in fact the Libyan event was terrorism/act of terror, whether by an angry mob or a coordinate affair, Obama decided not to label THIS event as such. He just meant terrorist acts in general, according to his words. The fact that afterward he refused to call it an act of terror shows he meant only the general sense of the term during his rose garden speech.
@tjordanm - Your personal words mean nothing to me. If you don’t give a shit about Americans who were at ground zero that’s on you.
Obama labeled it an act of terrorism but it is more complex than that because the video was used to incite people who were not terrorists but who were angered by the video. Even in a domestic shooting it sometimes takes the police weeks, months or even years to sort out the facts. This is an international incident. Don’t be so superficial.
@tjordanm - and let me see. Your personal experience tells you “act of terror” doesn’t mean “terrorist act”. I doubt the U.S. intelligence community cares much about your selective use of the English language.
@TheTheologiansCafe - And I don’t know who Joy is but there are a lot of people who follow politics very carefully. That someone named Joy follows politics very carefully is not an argument.
@TheSutraDude - Sure I do care about Americans at ground zero and empathize with them, but that doesn’t make their ideas about terrorism more valid than mine. And I don’t like you on a personal level, so I definitely don’t care about YOUR experiences whatsoever.
The video incited anger, and a lot of protests turned violent, but most of those protests didn’t involve a murder of a diplomat–that’s a major security flaw. Further, there is no basis for any protest to turn violent in response to a video, do you agree? As for the facts, like I said, it may have been an angry mob who killed the diplomat (act of terrorism then) or it may have been a calculated attack (still terrorism.) In both cases, it is terrorism. Obama would have been right to call it as such. And then you say that my “personal experience” tells me, tom, that act of terror isn’t the same as terrorism…I never said such a thing and personal experience had no part in informing it. Stop being some old, arrogant douche bag–I understand you may only have had an 8th grade education, but that doesn’t excuse you from reading properly.
@tjordanm - 8th grade education? that sounds more like your education since you are the one playing with words. you are the one claiming Obama did not call the action “terrorism” because he called it “an act of terror”. trust me, personal insults regarding intelligence are futile against me. When your recorded IQ is well above that of Einsteins and when you’ve accomplished what I have then you might be able to talk to me about grade school but you probably wouldn’t want to engage in that conversation.
i’m not offended that you don’t like me. you don’t seem to like many people but that is not the point of this conversation is it?
You say you care about Americans at ground zero and empathize with them but apparently not. Not that i care or need your empathy but i was there and i grabbed nearly one hundred people to get them to go further north along the Hudson River to get them out of danger and that was after I was one of the last people to leave 3 World Financial Center. A coworker came back and grabbed me.
@TheSutraDude - There is a difference between calling something an instance of something than saying something about something in general. There is a difference between saying “acts of terror won’t be tolerated” and “this was an act of terror, and will not be tolerated.” Obama said the former, not the latter. What does that mean? Not much, but for the sake of truth, you cannot deny that that is what was said.
You’re quite an arrogant shit. I’m not sure if I may have already exceeded what you’ve done. And I can say, again for the sake of truth, that I am likely far more intelligent than you are.
@tjordanm - It’s typical that when one is frustrated and unable to prove a point the person begins calling their adversary stupid and arrogant. What I have accomplished in my life speaks for itself.
“There is a difference between saying “acts of terror won’t be tolerated” and “this was an act of terror, and will not be tolerated.” Obama said the former, not the latter.”
Do you speak English as a first language? Other people can read your words.
Have a good night with yourself.
@TheSutraDude - There is a difference between specific and general statements. If you don’t recognize that and think your simplistic psychological model describes my argument style, you are essentially delusional.
@tjordanm - there you go with the “you don’t agree with me so therefore you’re delusional” argument. do you have a clue how meaningless and trollish that is? i don’t mind meeting people more intelligent than me. i look forward to those times. you’re not one of them. good night (to use your own words) arrogant shit.
@TheSutraDude - I earned the right to call people an arrogant shot when they assume to know enough about me to say I have accomplished less than they have. I also earned the right to call someone delusional when they satisfy themselves with describing people as fundamentally incapable of reason because they insult a person, especially after they assume more than they know about a person. Finally, I earned the right to call you a stupid person because you simply don’t grasp the difference between abstract and concrete. QED, shit stabber.
@tjordanm - You haven’t earned the right to say or do shit. People on Xanga know you are a troll who cannot argue logically.
@TheSutraDude - Oh yes, I have. I’m repeatedly dominating you and I’m sure a lot of people reading this in the morning will have a good laugh and message me on a job well done. I argue logically and sprinkle it with insults because you have the mind of a 15 year old girl who needs to come down a peg. I am arguing on the basis of abstract vs. concrete and you have NOT challenged that–if you do, and you argue well, I am known on Xanga for conceding a mistake. What you’ve done, instead, is said I said things I did not say (read the transcript^) and argue on that basis with sprinkles of some personal anecdotes lol. You’ll be the one who needs to argue logically, here.
@tjordanm - well now there’s an argument if there ever was one.
what is wrong with 15 year old girls in your mind? yeah we know who you are.
when was the last time you performed at Lincoln Center? when was the last time you were paid to train computer graphics specialists on Wall Street in advanced Photoshop and Illustrator? when was the last time you sat down with diplomats and ambassadors to discuss issues? when was the last time you cooked in fine and well known NYC restaurants? No toe jam. We all know who you are and we all laugh at you. You’ve been blocked by many Xangans. I’ve not been blocked by one. You don’t dominate anyone though you like to entertain yourself that you do and if you were in my presence you would run away as many idiots who talk a big game have.
you’re sense of self-logic ran away when you compared me to an 8th grader. actually it ran away before that but i’m being generous. you went from discussing to insult and that is the first sign of a loser.
and for the last time, good night. i have friends to hang with.
I hate this class warfare stuff. I don’t dislike someone because they are successful. I think we use to call that the American Dream.
@tjordanm - LOL! Do you think Obama was poor before he became president?
@TheSutraDude - What is wrong with 15 year old girls? Jesus, what isn’t? And this part made me literally laugh out loud: “advanced Photoshop and Illustrator”. The other parts are clearly trite horse shit that couldn’t impress anyone. Yea, hope you had fun blowing your friends last night.
@NightCometh - Not sure, was he? My dick is sore from raping TheSutraDude so I am distracted.
Good post! Weird video, enjoyed it.
@tjordanm - I apparently have more respect for our young people than you.
@TheSutraDude - Ouch
@tjordanm - And that’s it. Keep putting your IQ and your EQ for that matter on display for all to see.
@TheSutraDude - A really smart mean guy…I am. Do you realize how attractive that is to women? You probably don’t, for obvious reasons….