June 28, 2012
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Out of control
We have a president who is completely out of control. Issuing mandates like a dictator and threatening the Supreme Court into doing things his way.
We don’t need a dictator in this country, and we certainly don’t need one with his own damn kill list.
The Supreme Court, under major duress, voted to uphold the “Affordable Care Act” and has said that it is “constitutional.” Bull. There is NO WAY that you can call this a constitutional act.
If I refuse to purchase healthcare for MYSELF the government will fine me and eventually place me in jail. HOW IS THIS CONSTITUTIONAL??????
What’s more frustrating is that I won’t be able to afford healthcare under this act, prices are going to go through the roof and I will now have to rely on others to make up the difference.
Obamas presidency is simply a continuation of the Bush reign and it’s sole purpose is to give complete and utter power to the government and destroy the rights of the people.
Comments (72)
You’d be jailed for refusing to pay any taxes in general.
We need a technocracy right now with a real dictator. Not only do we have to have a mini-holocaust due to the numbers, but we also have to clean up several other sections. These things are temporary. Rome used to do it whenever things got “Out of Control.” Obama can’t do it. He is not doing it correctly and he is the moron dictator. He left the virgins out for one things. Those are who you kill.
@Celestial_Teapot - yeah, but tax crimes lands you in the nice jail.
I can’t imagine how it’s a “tax.” Nothing else are we required to purchase is considered a tax. Even defense. It’s a tax. But we’re not required to purchase defense ourselves. This is merely a stepping stone to a full-blown gov’t takeover of our healthcare.
Instead of fixing WHY it got so expensive, they just put the onus on others in society to make up the difference. They just don’t have a clue who that will be as prices continue to skyrocket. Businesses over 50 people will HAVE to provide insurance. Some free enterprise we have here, huh? Can someone explain how this president and the democrats care about small business again? Or middle class?
@Celestial_Teapot - But health insurance is the only thing you go to jail for for not purchasing. Even in liability auto insurance, they suspend your license first, then you go to jail for driving without a license, not for not buying insurance.
@Celestial_Teapot - wich has nothing to do with this post.
Two thoughts: First, CONGRESS needs to get over its inertia, which is what leads to executive orders in the first place. Government, like Nature, abhors a vacuum. An energetic, active Congress is the best solution to Executive Megalomania.
Second, we need, as a society, to get rid of the notion that EVERYTHING we do should be predicated on making money. Health care providers, including mental health, and some aspects of hospice care (the outpatient part), are focused way to much on raking in the bucks. So naturally, the emphasis is on- raking in the bucks. We don’t need expensive, often duplicated, tests for every little ache and pain. It may be good for health care’s bottom line, but the individual person needs to guard his/her own bottom line, first. It’s not just the government that’s bleeding us dry.
Amen
The more they do this stuff, the bigger hole they are digging for themselves. Government debt is in a bubble, currently at about $1,135,000 per paying US taxpayer, and no way of possibly funding it. The dollar is in a bubble, too many investors own it and will need to unload it. There is a vastly expanded money supply, currently at about 300% which is going to cause record high inflation, which will drive up interest rates and make it so businesses can’t get loans and economic growth will severely contract and employment at best may be about 50%. People will look back and see the cause, and see all the spending, and ask why nothing was done about it, and vote in the only viable alternative that makes any sense… the Libertarians. Record high inflation is coming… it’s a missile that’s already been launched. The only question now is when it will get here. And it will be worse than anything we’ve ever seen.
If not for ObamaCare my oldest son would currently be uninsured. Also, as more and more insurance companies define autism as a pre-existing condition and refuse to cover the cost of therapy and treatment for the various issues that accompany it, more families like mine find themselves with disabled children and no resources. ObamaCare prevents this. He’s trying to prevent insurance companies from leaving people with their asses in the breeze and no access to healthcare, which is what people who don’t have insurance deal with daily.
If we had universal healthcare to begin with, like every other civilized country in this world, none of this would be an issue.
An outright rebellion is what it will take, yes.
The only insurance available to my family will take 100% of my husband’s paycheck. 100%. Cheaper plans, are still about 50%. I don’t know about anyone else, but we actually need our income to LIVE.
I feel like it’s a door opener to other violations as well. Once they can mandate this what else can they mandate?
@RighteousBruin - A question: would you be in favor of a all-out fist fight between Congress and the President? When Congress does not pass legislation, we usually don’t pay more. This time, that wisdom failed. What would you advise, as I see the Congress has tried to hold back the bad legislation from becoming worse, during this past 2 years.
Agreed! Come see my entry in this dispute.
@ZombieMom_Speaks - Pre-existing conditions is the one area that I saw this law doing some good. Something like Autism is still so un-understood, and the parents feel helpless. You SHOULD be able to get some insurance help.
@pb49r - First of all, Congress did pass the “bad’ legislation. If there has been a perfect law, I haven’t seen it, in my lifetime. Most laws need to be revised, and amended, as unintended consequences arise and/or conditions change. This is as true of the Affordable Care Act as it is of any other law that comes to mind.
Secondly, there is an alternative to “an all-out fistfight”. Both Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon were able to get ground-breaking legislation enacted, through patient negotiation, though in LBJ’s case, his arm-twisting was applied to the Civil Rights Act of 1964. For the rest of his agenda, though, he relied heavily on Hubert Humphrey’s persistent diplomacy. Barack Obama, or Mitt Romney, for that matter, will need to grow some people skills and learn to find common ground with those of different political mien- as opposed to the current Us v. Them ethic.
@pb49r - @RighteousBruin - If they had a literal fistfight that actually might make C-SPAN worth watching.
@QuantumStorm -
Obama and the Congress were duly elected by the people. Your “revolutionaries” are going to have to shoot themselves and every other American since they are the one who caused the problem.
@PrisonerxOfxLove - They weren’t elected by me.
@justfinethanku - So go ahead and hunt down all the libs and put them in concentration camps before you gas’em.
@PrisonerxOfxLove - stop encouraging the government to fucking steal from me. period. knock it the fuck off.
Costs about 100,000.00 here to get brain surgery. Costs 2000.00 in Thailand with a 60 day in the hospital. Everything.
i fully support letting everyone without insurance either be denied care, or go bankrupt. unless conservatives are willing to do that, OR opt for universal health care, i support the mandate.
@flapper_femme_fatale - or just get the government out of healthcare completely so people can afford it.
@Colorsofthenight - LOLWUT
I had some thoughts on these issues quite a while ago, here’s one blog about it. http://mrtrololo.xanga.com/758530467/defending-the-poor-the-free-market/
If you don’t get married you will pay higher taxes and if you don’t pay them you will go to jail. Is that tyranny too? If so, where’s your blog about that?
@grim_truth - See the above comment. The same extreme analogy can be made with every letter of the tax code.
@justfinethanku - You do realize healthcare costs double per capita what it does in basically every other country with universal healthcare or health insurance right?
@justfinethanku - I’m encouraging you to be rational. In America all we can do is make the argument. Inciting people to armed revolution is tin foil hat Ron-bot lunacy.
@LadyboyRevolution - It’s worth mentioning the average income there is under 5k US dollars a year.
@Celestial_Teapot - Unless you’re the Secretary of the Treasury…… um, Geitner.
@justfinethanku - Dig this post. What if Romney took on Ron Paul?…just thinkin out loud here..
@RighteousBruin - What leads to executive orders is national security. And that’s the way it’s supposed to be.
Our government was designed to have inertia.
Obama is violating the separation of powers by creating law all by himself. If he were a leader instead of a petty tyrant he could deal with the Congress. Reagan dealt exquisitely with a Democrat Congress. And Clinton did the same with a GOP Congress.
Progressives like Obama want the executive branch to be a one man tyranny whose will is carried out by a huge government bureaucracy and a rubber stamp Congress.
@justfinethanku - looking at the cost of health care in nations with universal care, your theory doesn’t hold up.
@ZombieMom_Speaks - I so Agree!
Affordable health care is a socialist dream. You can’t do all the imaginable hospitalization because there is a limit to how much a system can equally divide when the pie is limited.
The Rich 1% do not want to give too much to pay for the poor but need the government to bail them out when they are in trouble.
1.Actually some costs are preventable, get the cigarette smokers and drinkers not to kill themselves and cut down on their habits.
2.Believe it or not taking good care of the homeless cuts down on unnecessary medical care.
3.Enact more measures to ensure overweight folks to exercise.
4.Teach folks to eat more healthy.
Get government to work those programs and you can save money on healthcare. Believe it or not it takes a few pennies to save some dollars later.
I just love how much they have fucked doctors in the process. According to the bill doctors will be taking a 16% pay cut over the next three years. Do you have any idea how terrible this is? Think of their ever increasing debt? At this rate, it benefit them to get a different job.
This sets a precedent for making you do whatever the government wants you to do. For instance: pay a tax if you don’t purchase an American made automobile, or buy solar panels for your roof, or eat tofu three times a week. Things are getting mighty scarey.
It will make the insurance companies use the money for services and not administration…
Now women will pay the same rates as men for the same services (bet you did not know you were paying MORE)
It’s the humanitarian thing to do for every many woman and child in this nation. Did you know there are firefighters fighting fires with no healthcare because they are considered part time. UNAMERICAN ways have to stop. Money is not GOD we need universal healthcare. Every other country that has it laughs at what IDIOTS we are because it has become such a money game and not one of,,,,, GOD HELP US ALL …REAL .CARE for one another.
Dear Lord Help Us ALL and especially the ones that cannot help themselves. When did we become so inhuman?
One last thing..Rush Slimeball advised us he will move to Costa Rica if Obamacare wins….YES…we will send someone to help him pack.
@Whatsittastelike - i don’t know who you’re listening to but that is not the case. there is a clause in the Affordable Healthcare Act that if a person opts out (chooses to go without health insurance) the fine cannot be enforced. in other words if you choose not to have healthcare there is no repercussion, no fine. it was liberals in Congress who insisted this clause be included. so it’s not like being fined or the Internal Revenue Service knocking on your door if you don’t pay your taxes. now if you choose not to get insurance and get hit by a car or come down with cancer or some other serious illness other Americans will have to pay for you so it’s a matter of personal responsibility. if you don’t care about living off the backs of other Americans you can choose without penalty to not get healthcare insurance.
@Whatsittastelike - or buy lightbulbs that they hold a patent for.
i know this has nothing to do with the larger point but the “Kill List” actually doesn’t bother me. the president is commander in chief that means that is a military target/goal is important enough, he should be directly involved. perhaps if he spent more time doing that part of the job and less time messing around with healthcare we would be more secure as a nation and not looking at a landslide of fecal matter in the form of a horrible healthcare bill.
@bethro78 - yeah, but if you have an emergency, you can go to the ER. Most people dont’ know that, and you can refuse to pay. There’s also help. You could cut something out too or get a new job. If something bad happened, you could sell everything and use medicaid. Unless you have a few million dollars, an illness, a bad one, will cause you to lose everything anyway. You’ll lose your job for example.
People are going to be really sorry when this ends. America had a good healthcare system. The healthy floated along and the sick got help.
@ZombieMom_Speaks - so very true. And yet the insurance companies continue to raise rates and reap record profits for their shareholders and the CEO’s.
@iones_island - yeah, I was on the kill list. It’s not a big deal. It’s a good list to start on.
@ccrider17 - and forcing us to buy their product is going to help the situation?
The only reason they didn’t strike the law down is because they said it falls under a tax. And under the Constitution, Congress has the right to tax us. Which is funny, since Obama and the Dems kept telling us over and over that it wasn’t a tax and the language in the bill didn’t even call it a tax. We were lied to, yay!
Besides the fact that Obamacare is a bad law, this now opens a Pandora’s Box to being taxed for non-behaviors. It is going to take a Constitutional Amendment to stop this kind of madness from spreading further. Or a war. I prefer the amendment.
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@firetyger - LOL, clearly they’re not concerned with the Constitution.
@Baseballchik138 - Medicare and Medicaid are also doctor-fucks. Apparently, retroactive changes were made to 2010 charges and Medicare is taking back money, and charging interest due to timing. They are also saying, to paraphrase, that we should have known they would change their mind and decide they didn’t want to pay.
@Whatsittastelike - Very, very scary.
@agnophilo - I love how casually you slid that in there. Uh, that wasn’t supposed to sound dirty. Personally, I wouldn’t trust a doctor from elsewhere to work on my brain, but maybe I’m just being elitist.
The people who want socialism/communism are the reason why it fails. People are lazy and greedy. Not many will work, work well, and work hard without external incentive, especially when there is financial incentive to not work. I do know a few people who have been on financial aid but were working hard to get the heck back on their own feet. I know many, many more who are definitely not in a hurry to support themselves or their families, using the justification of “I qualify, so…” or “I’ve paid taxes for a year” or “I have a degree so I shouldn’t have to work, and if I get a job I’ll have to pay back the loan”.
@Baseballchik138 - I believe that is a recurring bill passed during the bush era to put a bandaid on the problem which congress regularly votes to ignore.
@Whatsittastelike - Have you ever heard of the tax code? There are a million tax incentives for all kinds of things, this is nothing new. You get taxed more for being single or not having impregnated somebody.
@Colorsofthenight - As I will tell him, there’s a hardship exemption. Does no one actually google this shit?
@firetyger - See my second comment in this comment.
@VampireOfSeduction - This is a pervasive problem in society, it’s not as though there aren’t rich fucks with entitlement mentalities. And america would be a third world country without socialism, all republics are by definition socialist systems. Socialism isn’t the same thing as communism.
And the system actually works in a lot of countries. It’s not that public education can’t work, it’s that we just suck at it. That’s why other countries’ public education systems are kicking our asses. The same with other countries’ healthcare systems and many other areas. There are two extremes when it comes to the role of government – the government should do everything and the government should do nothing. Republicans believe in the latter, democrats don’t believe in the former. There was no real political will to make the US single payer, the supposedly radical commie “obamacare” was a middle-of-the-road free-market compromise that included many republican ideas.
@bethro78 - There is a hardship exemption and if you can’t afford it you probably a) don’t have to pay and b) qualify for medicaid which is being expanded by the legislation.
@agnophilo - Which is why the tax code also needs revamped. Also, being married does NOT necessarily create a tax cut. If both individuals are working and make decent money, they would actually pay a higher tax rate than if they were still single filing seperately. Google or research “marriage penalty tax.”
@PPhilip - agreed. This bill doesn’t take the steps necessary to actually address WHY healthcare costs are so high. Until we do that, any bill, any law, any program is nothing short of a bandaid on a slit throat.
@agnophilo - no, they don’t. They feel like they’re entitled when THEY ALREADY HAVE IT, like they’re a victim. It’s just like when I was younger, I qualified for aid, and I was doing so much. While my dad prevented me from going to school and loans wouldn’t have covered it without a cosigner, I could have gotten basic food help, which would have helped me cut out a job. Oh, that’s bad, and I’m a wonderful person for going without… then eventually from my insane schedules I went crazy and cost the economy way more than the 50 dollars in food stamps would have been. Malnourishment, which I was malnourished when I was in the military and that took years to fix, is actually one of the factors in schizophrenia.
@grim_truth - You get my point though right, that this is nothing new?
And what doesn’t it address that is “the” reason healthcare costs are so high?
@Colorsofthenight - I’m sorry you got sick, though I don’t know if you’re agreeing with me or disagreeing. But I agree that investing in the health of a nation pays off huge dividends. But unfortunately you can’t really campaign on that.
@agnophilo - I was agreeing.
You can opt out of buying healthcare, but you can’t opt out of paying the tax. I suppose though even the tax won’t have to be payed if you qualify for and claim the earned income credit.
I see in the future where the government will decide who lives and who dies. Well, he is over 50 and doesn’t have a job, so we will not approve this operation because we determine there are others more worthy.
@Whatsittastelike - Private health insurance companies do this every day. It’s what you do when you have finite resources, the difference is private companies do it to increase their profits, not because they don’t have enough money to help everyone.
@agnophilo - I didn’t mean that socialism or even communism couldn’t work. Just that they won’t here, at this time. We’re too pacifistic and aren’t willing to let people suffer for their stupidity. Rather, we encourage stupidity and laziness. I also wasn’t looking to get rid of certain socialistic aspects, like public education. Public money should be put towards making this country better, and hand outs are not doing that.
@agnophilo - Those are taxes based on your income. I forget if it is $2000 or what but if you make $2k or less, you don’t get taxed. Working a job is taking an action, and for that you get taxed. Your rate is based on your marital status. But working a job is taking action nonetheless. The health insurance tax is for not purchasing something. A non-action.
@VampireOfSeduction - Yeah, we should have the world’s largest stockpile of nuclear weapons and no public education.
Congratulations I think you just ended our species.
@firetyger - Like not getting married and paying higher taxes or not having kids.
Can’t people ever just admit their position is wrong or concede a point? Ever?
@agnophilo - “Can’t people ever just admit their position is wrong or concede a point? Ever?”
I suggest you take your own advice on this point.
@firetyger - I said this is nothing new and gave common examples of tax rates changed depending on choices and behavior that everyone knows about. That it isn’t anything new or anything obama invented is a plain fact. But you just respond by pretending not to know what words mean and repeating yourself.
@agnophilo - No, I’m not. You wouldn’t be taxed in the ways you mentioned if you didn’t work. The amount you’re taxed varies depending on whether you’re single or not. But the reason for the tax itself is because you’re getting paid to work. Not because you’re single. Not because you’re married. This is a huge difference.
@firetyger - And you won’t get taxed for “obamacare” if you don’t have any income either. Again, pretending you’re right when there’s no logic to it whatsoever.
@agnophilo - There are still people who fall between the cracks. Between no income and making too much for government assistance but not enough to pay for health insurance. That was my own family’s problem for years. We’re finally on health insurance now because my husband got a better job. But for our family of five, we were making what the government considers “good money” but we couldn’t afford health insurance.
@firetyger - Even if I granted that, it’s still got nothing to do with what I said. You’re just changing the subject and arguing about something else now.
@agnophilo - You said it would cover everyone. I was explaining how it does not. I was simply following your lead and responded.
This isn’t complicated. Not buying insurance is a non-behavior. Being taxed for it is taxing a non-behavior. Getting taxed for working a job is taxing a behavior.
@firetyger -
“You said it would cover everyone.”
I never said any such thing.
“I was explaining how it does not. I was simply following your lead and responded.”
No, you were randomly changing the subject to avoid conceding a very simple point.
“This
isn’t complicated. Not buying insurance is a non-behavior. Being taxed
for it is taxing a non-behavior. Getting taxed for working a job is
taxing a behavior.”
And again you just repeat yourself as though I hadn’t responded to that. Grow the fuck up please.
@agnophilo - … I said keep education.
@VampireOfSeduction - Oh sorry, misread that. I thought you said “was” not “wasn’t”. My bad.
@firetyger - See, like that.